Curse

spudlylamoore · Mar 12, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06

I was wondering, will a plain healer work well for 5 man teams, or is bonder the way to go. I have another question... how does a bonder work?

thanks

Katari · Mar 12, 2006, 06:43 PM // 18:43

You could use a normal healer on an SF run, sure, but theres a few skills I make sure to bring, and ones that I avoid specificly on SF runs.

Healing Seed
Essence Bond
Healing Breeze- The above three are normaly not found on my bar otherwise. Cast Essence bond on the tank for a huge amount of energy, use Breeze and Seed to cover enchants.

Dwayna's Kiss- With all the enchants, this will end up being your most efficent, if not most powerfull heal.

Healing Hands- This I sometimes bring in place of Word, it's just a matter of prefference.

Heal Area- Nice if you'd like to help the MM a bit.

Heal Party- I avoid this skill for SF runs, the party just isn't big enough.

Now for the bonder, A good bonder will bring a few key spells.
Life Barrier
Life Bond
Life Atunement
Blessed Sig
Essence Bond or Balth's Spirit
Mend Condition (Or Ailment I guess)

Not how I left out Vital Blessing. +HP spells are nice in some areas, but SF I don't consider to be one of those areas. If the tank takes 100hp worth of damage, it dosn't matter how much HP he has, it'll take the same amount of healing to reach full. There are many skills that are far more handy than VB.

Watchful Spirit
RoF
Shielding Hands
Divine Boon (Only if the bonder has RoF as well)
All of these do more than VB would.

But what I normaly do is pump up healing, and bring:
Orision
Dwayna's Kiss

EDIT: Oh, for the record, you proabably should have tried using the search button

spudlylamoore · Mar 12, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

thanks

daraaksii · Mar 12, 2006, 09:24 PM // 21:24

i'm using the woh/hp healer for 5 man farm

word of healing
dwayna's kiss
orison of healing
healing party
mend ailment
healing seed
inspired hex
channeling (its good when a lot of mobs attacking the tank), or rebirth

Artemis89 · Mar 13, 2006, 12:52 AM // 00:52

pre-built pvp Fianna boon healer FTW!

^^ My family comes from slovakia as well........

ump · Mar 13, 2006, 05:45 PM // 17:45

If you are a healer, do yourself a favor and bring Essence Bond to put on the tank as you will gain a ton of energy. Bring Dwayna's Kiss as it's the king of healing in SF farming especially with all the hexes and with the bonder's enchantments.

daraaksii · Mar 13, 2006, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by Artemis89

^^ My family comes from slovakia as well........

Lord Of Thee Monks · Mar 14, 2006, 06:40 AM // 06:40

thanks i will try this build when i get on gw

mighty xxl · Mar 14, 2006, 08:52 AM // 08:52

WoH is a bad ideea to be honest for Oro farm. Why? Because the tanker will never go under 50% life so u don't get the bonus from WoH.
I know many ppl use it - but is just bad

Now i will tell u my build and u will see why:

Aura Of Faith (E)
Dwayna Kiss
Orison Healing
Healing Seed
Heal Other
Sympathetic Visage
Essence Bond
Rebirth

Atributes:
15 Healing (+1 head +3 sup healing)
15 divine Favour (+3 sup divine)
rest in Illusion for SV

In this build u can replace SV with whatever u like - Arcane Thievfery is an option (mainly for Monk Bosses)

Why aura of faith? Because it is very spammable - only 15 sec recharge time and in combination with Life Attunement from the bonder my Dwayna's Kiss heal for 500 + 100 (from divine favour) With +600 health (or more) and spammable dwayna kiss most of the time u will get bored

Energy problems: NONE - essence bond will keep ur mana always up. I usually cast it first on tanker, before the bonder enchantments so it doesn' get stripped.

Have fun ppl!

Steve aka Mighty X X L

Weeping Wind · Mar 14, 2006, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Quote:

Heal Area- Nice if you'd like to help the MM a bit.

You shouldnt do this. It causes the Minions health to degen faster the more you do it. You should leave the MM to it. Blood of the master and Veretas is enough to keep them alive (if they are any good).

Weeping

LouAl · Mar 14, 2006, 10:46 AM // 10:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by mighty xxl

WoH is a bad ideea to be honest for Oro farm. Why? Because the tanker will never go under 50% life so u don't get the bonus from WoH.
I know many ppl use it - but is just bad

.....

Why aura of faith? Because it is very spammable - only 15 sec recharge time and in combination with Life Attunement from the bonder my Dwayna's Kiss heal for 500 + 100 (from divine favour) With +600 health (or more) and spammable dwayna kiss most of the time u will get bored

2 things:
you said that WoH is bad because the tank never gets below 50% health. I agree, except that I would use WoH on others when they start taking dmg for some reason.

Aura of Faith? Doesn't that fit the same category as WoH except that it is less useful? Why do you need to heal your tank for 600+ health? I certainly hope the tank isn't taking that much dmg (that is *probably* more than 50%). If you want to use it on another member of the team, fine, but if someone is getting spiked to where they NEED the extra heal, you have to spend 10 energy to get Aura on them and then 5 more to get your heal...doesn't seem useful. If non-tanks are taking consistent damage then you need the tank to pick up the gear or something to hold aggro.

I am not meaning to flame you I just don't understand the reasoning here. I have used

Dwayna's kiss (often gets heals in the 400-500 range) <----huge overkill
WoH (for those with <50% health and few/no enchants)
Smite hex (for non-tanks)
Heal party (when everyone has taken some damage...not very useful)
Healing Breeze (obvious)
Healing Touch (for me)
Essence Bond (for energy)
Rebirth (obvious)

I use Dwayna's on the tank and the bonder and WoH on the SS and the MM. Smite hex on bonder, mm, and ss when appropriate - never on tank. Heal party almost never, but it doesn help when the whole part is down and no one is less than 50%. Breeze to kill degen. Touch when I take dmg (especially used in the footprint). E. Bond on the tank for unlimited energy. Have never used rebirth, but would be helpful in the event of a wipe...

mighty xxl · Mar 14, 2006, 11:35 AM // 11:35

LuoAi: This build was refering to Orozar farming party (FA works the same)

In a farming Party only the Tank gets the damage, maybe a hex or 2 on other team members if they don't know how to position themselvs. So most of the times WoH is not that good cause the tank will probably never go under 50%.

Aura of Faith last for 60 sec and has 15 sec recharge. I usually do not cast it when the team member gets the dmg, i cast it BEFORE. Every time the Skill recharges i cast it on someone. Usually i cast it on MM cause he sacrifices life. So when we enter combat (and here i am refering before we enter SF and tank doesn't have gear) at least 3 members have Aura of faith on them.

I don't say that other builds are not good (inlcuding urs), healer have the easiest job in a Oro farming party.
I just think my build is a little better - SV helps a lot when the tank position himself near casters and all those W and R start bashing him. Or when in footprint a party member gets hammered.

Regarding ur other skills:
Why do u take a skill that u really don't use? (Heal party)
Smite Hex - has a recharge of 15 sec, Remove hex is a better choice with only 7 sec recharge

Anyway, everyone uses the build that he likes. If urs works for u - BRAVO.
Try my build sometime and if u don't like it - let me know

Linsys · Mar 14, 2006, 06:20 PM // 18:20

Here is what I take:

Essence Bond
Healing Seed
Healing Hands {E}
Healing Breese
Orison
Dwayna's kiss
Heal Area
Rebirth

Healing Seed W/ Healing Hands +20% Enchantment Sword (or staff) will give u a nice buffer, since they work almost the same u can time them right to keep on up on the take always... then you don't have to spam heals over and over again.

Celain · Mar 14, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weeping Wind

You shouldnt do this. It causes the Minions health to degen faster the more you do it. You should leave the MM to it. Blood of the master and Veretas is enough to keep them alive (if they are any good).

Weeping

This is false. Healing minions does not cause them to degen faster.

LouAl · Mar 14, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

@mighty xxl
sorry if you thought I was flaming you. It was like 4am when I worte that and was kinda tired. I was referring to the Oro farming groups in my post, and I think your build is just fine. I especially like the addition of SV. That would really help out if the ss necro doesn't bring it and to fill in any gaps if the ss necro does bring it.

Regarding my build:
I usually use heal party in the footprint when everyone is taking damage. If they are all taking about the same amount it can really speed up healing. WoH also helps in the footprint for the cheap massive heal, but I never use it on the tank because, like you said, the tank is never below 50%. For the tank you can always use Kiss for a massive heal.

I have found that even when the tank is holding the gear, there are times when the whole party is taking damage (often when the baddies can't get to the tank because of terrain/minions blocking the path...grrr minions), and during those times WoH helps if a member comes under a spike.

As far as smite hex is concerned, I know that the advantages of remove hex are better. For some reason I can't seem to bring myself to use a removal spell that takes 2 seconds to get rid of time-based damage (I also never use anditdote sig for the same reason), but that is just me being stubborn.

I will try your setup and see which works better for me

. I still have questions regarding your use of Aura of faith. Do you use it exclusively in the footprint or also after you get into SF? If you only, or mostly, use it in the footprint it seems like you use it similar to the way I use heal party. If you use it in SF, do you cast it on the tank or only other party members? That is the part I didn't understand. If you cast it on the tank, it would seem to be just as worthless as WoH on the tank - you would be getting a huge heal and wasting most of it.

/offtopic
I had a bonder last night (who seemed very experienced in the Oro run) who told our SS necro to "SV" a target. We started talking and the bonder said that SV meant Spinal Shivers. I was always under the impression that SV meant Sympathetic Visage, but my initial experience with the abbreviation was in dual UW runs where the ss/sv means Spiteful/Symp Visage.

conches · Mar 15, 2006, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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Originally Posted by Katari

EDIT: Oh, for the record, you proabably should have tried using the search button

the search doesnt work nemore so plz just let people post what they want

conches · Mar 15, 2006, 12:44 AM // 00:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by conches

the search doesnt work nemore so plz just let people post what they want

scratch that it works again

mighty xxl · Mar 15, 2006, 12:18 PM // 12:18

I use Aura of Faith in footprint but also in SF. Whenever it becomes available i cast it on a party member. Usually in SF i cast it on the MM cause he sacrifices health constantly. But because it last for 60 sec when Aura is recharged i cast it on someone else.
Also if u cast Aura of faith and Healing seed on tank for 10 sec(more if u use XX% enchantment) u can lay back and relax cause he won't take any dmg

^^ if he doesn't get stripped - i usually cast healing seed follow by aura - if it gets stripped Healing seed remains.

If some party member take dmg cause minions block the way - just use heal other on him - it is just as effective as WoH without beeing an elite.

//offtopic
SV usually stands for Sympathetic Visage.
Spinal Shivers - no ideea of abreviations, usually ppl use simply spinal

LouAl · Mar 15, 2006, 11:48 PM // 23:48

I like the seed/aura combo will have to try that

///offtopic
yeah I thought she was just being a little ignorant, although I could see someone confusing spiteful and spinal what with both have the same initials